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Re: Why noPhilippines?

Prince Gabriel — Sat, 11 Sep 2010 13:45:52 -0000

I agree that the name Philippines be changed into something else. Something more defining. Problem is, Filipinos have not yet defined themselves as one people. There is no sense of unity before the Spaniards came. We were united by our colonizers. And as such they named us. There was never "one" country before the invaders. And even up until now, we are still building it up.

Re: Why noPhilippines?

passerby — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 07:43:39 -0000

I have a question, what do you think are the limitations of using baybayin?

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Kristian Kabuay — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:09:30 -0000

I personally don't keep a list of names. That's a later phase. I think
talking about it and hopefully agreeing that we should change the name is
the 1st step.

Check out my sites http://baybayin.com http://baybayinfilm.com and
http://notalibata.com to learn more about our indigenous writing system.

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Andy Neely — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:41:10 -0000

I have a question, and as i am neither asain, spanish or filipino, i am a neutral, so please bear with me. You say you want to change your countries name away from the Philippines because Prince Phillip took them to be his own, after he "invaded". yes.... May i ask what names you have that they may or may not be changed too? My partner is from Cebu and i recently got into looking at baybayin and alibata writing, with the original thought of getting a tattoo with my kids name on it. just a little background on me.

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Jojo — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:56:34 -0000

Thanks for the link to the article, Christian. I would like to see a name change but we may never see it in our lifetime. Most likely, it will never happen.

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Kristian Kabuay — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:57:35 -0000

I think a name that's non Manila or Tagalog centric. I've read proposals
that had LuzViMinda but again, there might be an issue of Luzon being 1st. I
think the 1st step would be for schools to throw the idea out there. There
are some politicians that have proposed a name change but it looses due to
1) Being unpopular 2) Expense 3) No marketing and promotion behind it.

Here's an interesting article with positive/negative comments.
http://www.asianweek.com/20...

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Jojo — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 12:32:45 -0000

What name would you suggest the Philippines be replaced with (just your opinion)? And what steps can be taken to make this happen?

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Kristian Kabuay — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:48:54 -0000

I never said about loosing all colonial influence. Where exactly did I say
that? I'm a modern man and love the idea of a multicultural society but
without loosing the indigenous one. The reason I'm typing in English is so
that the international visitors can understand and Filipinos can understand
English.

Actually yes, I think if we change the name of the country it change how
some of us think. Not right away but in generations to come. You may say
that it's BS, we need something now but these things take time.

I've actually seen the switch of thinking with my work with Baybayin (
baybayin.com). I use our ancient writing system as a gateway to discover our
lost/forgotten culture. Again, it's a slow painful process.

I don't have a plan for a name. I'm not a leader of the country. I want to
start the conversation and put the idea in the heads of people. I do know
the origin of Maharlika and wouldn't want it as a name.

Your right, I do have a my own version of false pride/love hate/hypocrisy.
I've always admitted it. While I'm proud of what we have accomplished with
our multiple invasions, we had opportunities to do more. Sayang. While I
love the country, it saddens me that we are a nations of servants (even in
our own country).
http://www.thebrownraise.or...

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Kristian Kabuay — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:26:25 -0000

The logic would only fit if the kid already had an established identity (Pre-Philippines already had a rich identity and culture), the parents are the one responsible and "owners" of the kid. The Spanish invaded, they did not bring us in to this world (although many think so). The Philippine experience is more like a woman abused by her husband and keeps his last name because she has grown to like it, it's a hassle to change, people know her by it already, etc

Re: Why noPhilippines?

TSF — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:17:19 -0000

If you're so passionate about losing all the colonial influence, why don't you stop speaking in English? And when you speak Filipino, make sure you don't use words that have Spanish roots! You've said that what's done is done with regards to language, how come you can't say the same for the name of our country? In truth, our language has changed more than the name of our country. We've been the Philippines for the last 500 years, what's really the point in changing the name?

Do you really think that changing what we call ourselves, what we call this country we live in will change how most of us think? Do you think that'll make the inhabitants of this country work more? Sure. They'll feel better at the start. Maybe. But after that it's back to the old game. You're just offering a placebo drug.

A dog can call itself a cat (or it can call itself anything else) because it wants to be one, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a dog. A name is just a name. What matters more is what it the concept of our country means to us as its citizens.

Who are you to speak of false pride when it comes to buying shirts with the Islands on it or having tattoos when you suffer from your own version of false pride. You fail to accept the history that goes with the name of our country.

Besides. What do you plan on naming the country? Most of your suggestions are Tagalog words. Do you realize that this is a hugeass generalization of the country? While you can currently say that most (only 53% at the highest estimation) speak the language in our country, it can be considered an insult to all the other citizens of this country that don't speak Tagalog.

And you do know where the word Maharlika came from right? It came from a Sanskrit word. Maybe we should call our country something that is totally our own in the sense that we Filipinos created it.. Oh wait. That doesn't exist. Our country (LIKE ALL OTHERS) is founded on influences from other cultures. Even that pre-Spanish language you're teaching isn't fully our own. It stemmed from another language.

I'm sorry if my points are disorganized or I'm not explaining them properly, but this whole idea of renaming the country just puts me off. Feel free to shoot whatever I've said so far down, so long as you won't put it against me when I shoot your points to oblivion.

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Sean — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 05:03:58 -0000

yeah, but the logic behind it is similar to changing the name of the philippines...

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Kristian Kabuay — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 00:31:27 -0000

http://news.angkasama.info/...

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Kristian Kabuay — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 00:31:03 -0000

Not really as your name is an individual choice

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Kristian Kabuay — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:08:27 -0000

Oh well. We see things different. I want the idea out there. I don't spent much time on this actually. I spend most of my time teaching our pre-Filipino writing system, Baybayin. See http://baybayin.com. Do you think that's a waste of time?

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Pusit — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:36:47 -0000

Let's name the Philippines as Noynoylandia, in accordance with our new imperial ruler, Benigno Aquino III.

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Pia D — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:53:05 -0000

okay wait scratch that " At eto pa, gusto mo palitan ung pangalan para maging noPhilippines? Ha." I interpreted wrong. LOL.

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Pia D — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:52:19 -0000

Your argument is invalid.

Okay, talaga lang? Bakit pa? Anong point... okay I've read what you wrote but honestly, it doesn't make sense. It's not the name that defines us. Grace made a good point. Anyway... I just find all these a waste of time. At eto pa, gusto mo palitan ung pangalan para maging noPhilippines? Ha. The name of our country is the least of the country's worries. Wow. Jeez, spend your time on something that actually matters.

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Kristian Kabuay — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 05:02:52 -0000

Yes it didn't happened but using your logic of accepting what occurs then
the result should be the same. Yes it would suck if we were overtaken by
another country but in a couple hundred years we would accept it.

If the abused kid want's to change his name, it's up to him. He has the
choice.

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Kristian Kabuay — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 04:54:41 -0000

No, it's not insecurity. It's honestly about putting myself in the shoes of
our ancestors who were overrun by the Spanish. They lost their indigenous
culture. It's hard for us to relate because it occurred so long ago. If it
happened today, it would suck and we would fight it to death but hundreds of
years from now, we would accept it.

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Lol — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 03:01:08 -0000

Pagtinanong ako kung ano ang nationality ko, sasabihin ko Filipino. Pero hindi ko iniisip ang nakaraan na sakop tayo ng Espana habang sinasabi ko yun. Tol, feeling ko kaya gusto mo palitan ang pangalan ng Pilipinas ay dahil insecure ka sa ibang bansa at hindi ka proud na isa kang Filipino.

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Jops — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 02:56:41 -0000

Because it's part of who we were. Who we are. Ano naman ang kinalaman niya sa issue ng pagpapalit ng pangalan ng Pilipinas?

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Jops — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 02:50:50 -0000

So if, so if.. Eh hindi naman nangyari yun.

Kung ang tatay mo ginulpi ka dati nung bata ka, pag nag 18 ka ba at nagkaisip na papalitan mo pangalan mo?

Re: Why noPhilippines?

alex — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 02:07:28 -0000

Why not change the nation, instead of the name? Honestly this is impossible but making our country BETTER is possible. There are so many ways to improve right? Please, not the name. We're used to it, we live like this and we love it like this. Peace.

Re: Why noPhilippines?

Kristian Kabuay — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 01:34:27 -0000

I like the combination of the 3 regions but I'm not really think about that. The 1st step is to have an open honest conversation about it. Hopefully people will see it as the next logical step in the development of our country.

I agree with you that there could be some psychological benefits but that's a hard sell.

It would be great to have an identity that we choose for ourselves

Re: Why noPhilippines?

grace — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 01:31:28 -0000

Look, here's my take on this: Be insulted if you're called an INDIO, not FILIPINO. It's not like we still see ourselves as poor ignorants colonized by the westerners anymore! We have changed drastically, and to think the name of our country would sodomize our fate is completely absurd.

Para kang tanga, sa totoo lang. Hindi nasusukat sa ngalan ng bansa ang bugso ng pagmamalaki ng isang tao sa kung saan man sya nagmula. Hindi porket Filipino ako, ay naiisip ko nang kinolonya ako ng mga Espanyol at kailangan kong maghimagsik sa pamamagitan ng pagpalit ng ngalan ko. At ano naman kung nauuso na ngayon ang mga kasuotan na nagsasaad ng "pinoy pride"? Kailan naging masama para sa isang tao na magsuot ng shirt o kwintas na nagsasabing "Pinoy ako"?

Ngayon ko lang nalaman na pag nagsuot ka pala ng mga tshirt ni Francis M ay isang pagbabahagi ng tao sa kapwa nya na hindi totoong masaya syang maging Filipino; paraan nya para magpapansin pala yun.

Ang masama sa iyo, binibilang mo ang nakaraan, hindi ang kasalukuyan; ang
pagbagsak, hindi ang pagbangon. 333 na taon tayong kinolonya ng mga Espanyol, at di pa natinag dun ang pagsakop ng mga Hapones at Amerikano. Ngunit kahit kailan, hindi nawala ang diwa natin bilang mamamayan.

ANG MGA GAYA MO ANG ISA SA MGA RASON KUNG BAKIT HINDI NAUNLAD ANG BANSA. Imbis na tumahimik at tumulong na lamang para gumanda bansa natin, ay naghahanap ka pa ng problemang HINDI NAMAN DAPAT PROBLEMAHIN.

Magtanong ka ilang Filipino ang may kaparehong adhikain na gaya mo. Kasi sa totoo lang, hindi naman talaga namin nasusukat yan sa pangalan eh, kung hindi sa kung ano ang maibibigay mong "pride" sa paghawak ng titulong "Filipino".